We are talking about something that cannot just be repented of but something that is the persons very identity- who they are. Through offshoots like Youth Life (now dubbed "K-Life"), Kanakuk reaches even more children and teenagers than those who attend camp. At least she cares. And isnt there ongoing lawsuits? Dygert and Hoffpauir said they discussed their abusewith a licensed professional counselor, Branson-based Joey Staples, though not at first. Is she lying on purpose? Ive started blogging, post tour-of-duty on my journey of healing from an authoritarian NeoCalivnist church and included it in a blog post: https://gbfsvchurchabuse.org/2016/08/31/top-ten-signs-of-a-potentially-abusive-church-by-elizabeth-esther/. Because to a performer, his/her appearance and looks are a valuable job asset, part of their on-stage/on-camera presence. I suspect pastor was either bragging or indulging his sexual fantasies in a Respectable form. :o), Similar story: There was something that felt off about it so I stopped going there. Merrellsaid, "I'm satisfied, but there's always a sense of gravity when someone is sentenced to life. Use rational common sense (and yes, God is the God of reason also). Newman reportedly hadnaked conversations with campersand engaged in mutual masturbation and"hot tub Bible studies" with boys, as the News-Leader reported during his 2009 trial. I suppose that is the effect that Mohlers Calvinism (TULIP) has on his thinking (Total Depravity) ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_UUNSskzU&sns=em. Kanakuk, Newman's former employer, is a Christian sports camp that's been in business since 1926. Society at large is way, way ahead of Christian organizations when it comes to protecting children and adults from predators in the work place. What does that mean in plain English, please? Bernie Madoff was described as very warm and charming. This is called the Real Presence. We do not officially believe in transubstantiation, a catholic doctrine, to explain the Real presence, but some episcopalians do believe that, or so I understand. I am a husband, a father, a son, brother, uncle, friend, a local community member, a chosen child of God, and a Kanakuk Child Sexual Abuse Survivor. Dixie stampede is popular. Oh my goodness. OK, bye.' Its shocking the first time. They are just normal people. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. I just told her that I would never send mine to any camp without their phone in this day and time.knowing what I know. On top of that, it costs money to sue, and Im not even talking about attorneys fees. The difference is there is licensing involved and CPAs risk losing their license to practice. If you question what I say to you One more thing about this, punitive only goes after the specific people at fault. "He was very macho, manly, like, tough, in a way. They want to have heroes. Trust your kids to these godly idiots? ", Later, while Newman workedat one of Kanakuk's overnight camps, Dygert visited him on the job. NOBODY will EVER believe yoU! and as backup support when things get sticky (Friends in High Places, like Facilier the Bokor in Disneys The Princess and the Frog.) We should never forget that we live in the middle of a spiritual war where there are no cease fires. Yes. Thats why the lawsuits were filed. A huge and disastrous law suit would be a good place to start. In court documents filed in February 2013, Kanakuk says it will present testimony from expert witnesses that will cast doubt on the severity of the harm John Doe suffered as a 12-year-old sexual abuse victim. They cop to a much lessor offense at the podium and then the pew sitters tell each other how humble their wonderful pastor is. In an effort to be completely honest, Dee got sucked into the hype for this camp and two of our children spent a few summers there. I know looking by my mother watched people, and kept me away from ones she had doubts about. and diversity sure did take a hit when the missionaries who spoke in tongues were sadly targeted. Please pray for this because there are some really good job openings which I think would work great with my sons schedule and pay a really decent wage. I wish to thank again all of those who have websites and our choosing to shed light on these church scandals. The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. Peter Newman was hired by Fellowship Memphis. We also have this notion that bad people will look bad, kind of like in Disney shows where the good are beautiful and the bad are ugly. Have a young friend, barely into his thirties, and the head and associate pastor at his wonderful neocal church are painfully young, both about his age, he hasnt been attending this church long, but he absolutely raves about how genuine and humble these guys are. There certainly seems to be a lot of nepotism. I see Bob Jones listed as a client. that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. To know that church leadership is made up of so many with no decency or sense is disturbing. Kanakuk, located in Branson, Missouri, has been long known as the premier Christian camp in the United States and abroad. And I told him, 'I don't feel comfortable with that.'". She was surprised at how many parents just went along. If they cover up scandal to protect their damned reputations then they are false. Rent/water/utilities are coming due. A petition was created to force Kanakuk to release victims and their families of non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) that legally obstruct their testimonies against the camp. Not that God is not always present everywhere. Its public record, and that pastor needs to get famous. @ BeenThereDoneThat: "That was really rough," he said. If Camp Kankakuk says its going to bring forward witnesses to discredit the harm juvenile campers had from sexual assault, thats a big sign that their attorneys are going to turn this into a trial of the victims. "And I had still been aware of what had gone on, but at that point, I still didn't know that I had been so successfully groomed in this entire process, thatI still didn't realize it was wrong. Heres a link to an article about them building Bushs house. Pete & Katie Newman are the Directors of K-Kountry. Like independent house churches, they have no outside reality check if they go sour and/or abusive. So that's how it started out.". i love pete newman. I knew a lot of them in seminary. I wouldnt say its Christian themed. Tough to sit through, but so important! I do know that leadership in the Resurgence apparently had a pet peeve with them what spoke in tongues, but as to why they wanted this group out, I have always supposed they did it because they COULD. It seems totally normal. They will, however, mediate. Joe graduated fromSouthern Methodist University, and was an assistant coach atTexas A&M Universitybefore taking the reins of Kanakuk. When I received the phone call in 09 from a mutual friend about what Pete had done, I was in total shock. ", The lawsuit adds, "During each of these activities Defendant Newman falsely represented to the young Plaintiff that these behaviors were okay or normal and were not 'sinful'. SHAME ON YOU, churches, para-churches, church schools anyone who dares claim the name of Christ, any and all who refuse to vigorously defend the weak and cast out the wolves among you. I wonder how many more will be done with the institutional church because Bryan Loritts then hired the guy and minimized his crimes. Just remember the side effect like Muslims after 9/11, Christians will circle the wagons against PERSECUTION!!!!! Its all pride. Why do people keep supporting such places? I think this is the logical end of their theology. The day the camp director found out, both counselors from that cabin were told to pack their bags and leave, and all of the parents of kids in the cabin were informed. Quite possibly. I wondered if I had missed something. We think that during the liturgy of the altar, the bread and the wine become consecrated and after that point one should think and act in the light of the Real Presence in the Sacrament. I had a very hard time believing any of it. Huh? Ichabod. I think its the ole carrot and the stick trick. That makes me wonder if he started a lot of what is wrong with our SBC churches today. Life is a minefield. Kind of a step further than that is holding Kanakuk responsible. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/women-abused-by-priest-brendan-smyth-took-own-lives-says-cleric-darcy-35011545.html. man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. I went to branson in like 1990. And it would not have happened to the Catholic church if not for the Boston Globe team. Sammy was moved to a contract pastor in 2007 after a spycam was allegedly found in the girls showers of a CentriFUGE Camp. Newman called it a "circus tent," Dygert said. Without it, external authority can squash ones internal frame of moral reference and ability to meet with God in the sanctuary that is ones conscience. Wait, I dont remember reading this. And at that point, I was like, OK, this is weird. So this is hitting close to home. But in the meantime, if the Church needs to be sued, for its own sake, I can see this as a temporary justice of sorts, yes. This denomination is different from the type of church Ive been to in the past. We continue to offer support to victims, including independent counseling services (which are not shared with Kanakuk), and desire to help them in their healing journey. There is a barbarian aspect to this. Fixing the mentality that makes these pastors consistently act in a oh well sort of fashion towards these crimes of abuse of children and of women is a different issue. Second: I am commenting only to add some insight to the discussion. A man who comments over on Spiritual Sounding Board has said that he and his wife came to the conclusion that when a church wont protect children, thats just the tip of the iceberg of other serious problems at that church. . That is one of the foundations of the faith, yes. Ive seen it happen. I feel that some people have a hard time with the truths around us, not only the sexual abuse by priests, but all bad things. Huh? Bryan Loritts is the brother-in-law of accused voyeur Rick Trotter. Its what Las Vegas would be if Ned Flanders was running it.. This list of examples I could cite is pretty long. I dont view him a victim advocate at all but a protector of some institutions after abuse had occurred. I have ordered three of his cartoons for my home as well and have one in my living room. Among some people there is such an emphasis on doctrine that one may wonder if they believe in salvation by doctrine alone. Billy is good on clothes and I almost have all his supplies. . A while back, there was a male counselor who allowed his cabin of boys to horse around in the cabin while naked. Believing you are one of Gods special elect doesnt make it so if you do not follow Jesus example. And it sends a message. Jeremiah Wright did not have a cult following? Its been more than a week since Shauna and Billys GoFundMe account has had any donations. After all Sandy Willson had more pressing issues! They have women at all levels of leadership. Kanakuks opposition statement also states that the plaintiff alleges Kanakuk and those two officers, White and Cooper, failed to safeguard him, however, there is nothing in these allegations that should subject White or Cooper to personal, individual liability. Been there, have the memories to prove it. Join a small fellowship that preaches Jesus and Him crucified but has no desire to become the next mega/multi-site/church planting hub/trendy/etc. Imagine women screening someone hired to serve at the Church the safety of their children would be their FIRST concern, which is as it should be. I cried. Why do people keep supporting such places? Sorry about that, friend. Spending money on a report is one way to stay in business. The suit is the latest of several that have been filed against the company and Newman since Newman was sentenced in 2010. http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_aa49fe6a-79ec-11e5-89be-7ff4b6c225f5.html. How can a group of Christians think that setting up a system where men expect women to kow-tow to their needs submissively is anything more than unwholesome???? But sola scriptura does not include anything but scripture, including not tradition or reason. It cannot be discerned by externals so much (as the theology it claims to hold, or denomination it belongs to) as it is discerned by what it actually produces over time. He ends up protecting a non profit institution that he thinks is automatically the body of Christ yet has no problem suing JWs .and did I understand the Catholic Church? Not everything labeled church is promoting the Truth. "'Cool. Crazy. Also,there seems to be an established Christian promotional/marketing thing that that pushes all these groups and ideas, so if one had a contrary message, not sure how they would get it heard. Why isnt this the case where such things have been found to go on so long with so many in positions of leadership knowing? He said that communities where information stays on the inside and situations are handled in-house puts children at risk. Also, I work in health care, and there is a concept of investigating things with a mindset of fixing rather than punitive. Vaguely! The people who knew and looked the other way while the leadership sinned by bringing the perpetrator into the sheep fold (lamb fold), these people ought to be culpable for any sexual abuse incidents that occurred. In all my years as a baptist I never, that would be never, heard any emphasis on conscience per se-other than what was taught me at home that one cannot trust the conscience since it was in a fallen state. I just dont see his decision to not sue churches as nefarious. Hoffpauir said Kanakukis "so prominent in Branson. Ingrained. Usually, the Real Presence is within a side chapel in a parish Church, and people can come in throughout the day and night and pray in that chapel. 2023 www.news-leader.com. As you may know, Pete Newman was employed at K-Kountry. She also wanted female elders. this helps explain some of the dependency on leadership, especially if: Yep. They flatter and groom- not just their victims but everyone. Brian- you were groomed to think about this man the way you did. Was it okay because there was adult supervision, and they were all boys together? Fundamentalists tend to view the world primarily as something to be avoided, while evangelicals tend to view the world as something to be converted. In my own Church, this is indicated by a lampstand with a lit candle inside of red glass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEhSk71gUCQ. Thermidorians stage a Coup on the Jacobins, In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. How dare they. Like other young Christianswho crossed Newman's path, Hoffpauir described Newman, then roughly 26 years old,as an ideal person for evangelical youth ministry: "Very charismatic," Hoffpauir told the News-Leader in a recent interview. (I suppose it is a bit hard to work that into all the hats & horns). He was 13. Most judges throw them out. And I repeat, the pastors and teachers are the keepers of the knowledge as it were which enables one to adhere to scripture as understood by some particular group. Any sensible person would want to protect an organization from liabilities. Join a small fellowship that preaches Jesus and Him crucified but has no desire to become the next mega/multi-site/church planting hub/trendy/etc. Just a slightly different perspective: Then law firms got in on the action. Joe White, the president of Kanakuk Ministries near Branson, Missouri, is a larger than life figure in American evangelicalism. When I took it all togetherthe victim advocate who wont sue churches unless they are JW or something, tithe comment and the other stuff already mentioned, my radar went off. What ever happened to Eph. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead mens bones and all kinds of filth. When did that go by? Hes in the cesspool himself. Theres a difference between being anti-abortion and pro-life: you have to actually care for and about those who have been born *in addition to* those who havent. We believe that a valid receiving of the Eucharist can be done with merely the bread or the wine or with both the bread and wine, preference being both. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. It was a power play, which posed as getting rid of those %%%%% liberals. The limited scope of the guilty plea concealed the sheer scale of the abuse," wrote David French and Nancy French with The Dispatch. And dont forget Gods Choice for POTUS Mike Huckabee running interference for Jim-Bob Duggar over Josh Duggars mistakes(TM). So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. He was imprisoned following his 2010 sentencing on seven. And theres not even the psychological cost of these kinds of cases. The newspaper is now being sued by UK, under the claim that, in order to protect the victims, the facts should not be made public. As part of that settlement, the Yandells signed a non-disclosure agreement. He can do what he wants. This camp, and its leaders, are clearly not following basic Christain principles, and we need to shout this from the highest mountaintop. Just imagine the kind of clout that gave this church with local officials. Is there something to this as a part of the problem? Its important that the Church be held accountable because it will mean change; And Predators have the JUICIEST testimonies! Its like the sexual harassment protection racket. That is beyond me. Well, Boris & Natasha were as Psevdorussky as you could get. Education the parishioners that sometimes your pastor is not your friend, does not care about your children? ", Echoing similar suits filed in the past, Doe XIII's complaint asserts that beforeNewmans 2009 arrest and prosecution in Taney County, there were "at least 57 alleged victims of Newman including Plaintiff.". I would think some of these firms are seeing some these churches/para churches have very Deep Pockets. They know what persona will put them beyond being doubted or questioned. They are really parsing words instead warning the parents and students? That doesnt work when we have allowed a ruling elite to continue who are above the laws they mandate for us. They get to do the wrong or unfair things with no consequences. That just destroyed her, and my family was shocked.". It was freaky seeing all these ancient country and music stars up close and personal with enough makeup and plastic surgery scars to plug up the river. (I have repented!) ", In a statement on the camp's website, Kanakuk noted that "no charges for failure to report were ever filed against any Kanakuk staff" in connection with the Newman case and that "we were devastated by the deceptive practices of this individual, and continue to grieve with the victims and their families. () Theyre everywhere. Please do not make the mistake of assuming that either all Christian pastors are good or that they all are evil. . News Flash: These guys obviously do not believe this. Caring? It is also probably best I do not write what I think of these "christian leaders".. More generally, I use to think America was sue-crazy. I told him, Well, your 30-something pastors, they have a lot to learn, told him to pay attention to what people do, not what they say, and knowing a person well enough to talk them up takes a lot longer than a few months or years, it takes many years, maybe decades, seeing someone at their best and worst and having them see you at your worst and seeing how they take it, before you can pronounce someone genuine. It is not easy at all to find lawyers who will sue religious organizations. Half of his childhood!! And future victims in that Church need protection from a leadership staff that knowingly would even let danger in the door. Disturbing, incredibly so, but I dont know what other conclusions to reach. In fact, Ive heard this scenario play out so many times that I am very suspicious of people who seem to have everything together so well- too well. As a woman who divorced a narcissist.those are the people to avoid. Well, there is something to that, but no emphasis was placed on training the conscienceonly on understanding doctrine and memorizing bible verses. Dislike Share. He was merely a volunteer from the seminary. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. If I had young children and theyd been to any Christian activities, I would be paranoid. What were some of the allegedactivities? We were both students there and socialized in the same circles. Well known Christians send their kids there and parents like to stand around, pointing out the celebrities on Parents' Day. I dont remember having seen any of this in the news at the time. If not, maybe it ought to be removed. His conscience is mans most secret core and his sanctuary. My former church blew off a similar incident and the pedophile went on to molest. Satan is powerful to produce every kind of vice, greed and scandal in those who are deceived. How many other knowledgeable people, besides Boz Tchividjian, are having an impact raising awareness about this problem in churches? But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. At Fellowship Memphis, the leadership has allegedly assertedthat Newman was merely a contractor. Bad press maybe. I thought it was delightful and I did not see anything particularly religious about it at the time. Before that conversation I would have considered Pete to be one of few examples of what living out the faith looked like. I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. And Im sure there are many people outside the House of Driscoll who think Im defiling their holy temple just by standing on the sidewalk as a (very imperfect) warning about whats within. Then what? Babylon-5. Ive always been skeptical about things people say, so I chuffed at people who insisted that they had a call so I had to listen to them. So when this kid used the word I pretended that I knew what she was talking about to save face, and then set out to investigate. In a statement to CT on Friday, Kanakuk Kamps said its policy is not to comment on pending litigation, but that "we continue to pray for all who have been affected by Pete Newman's behavior." No wonder there are so many problems. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2015/07/dentists-lions-and-equal-opportunity/. So I started going to Youth Life, hanging out with Pete. PP is interesting. They are profiting off the pain of the children that were sexually abused. Anyone who survived high school and wasnt a quarterback or cheerleader could tell you that. Also, Greg Love was interviewed on WFAAs broadcast about my former church. Not sure how this is done without being in touch with ones own conscious and developing wisdom over time? I saw the Dixie stampede, loved it, but Im a horse person. Yes. Regards, If you dont believe that read Thom Raner this time about 15 reasons pastors should not visit. There are goats. And didnt your last article explain that Bryan Loritts himself was found out to be a voyeur in the womens bathroom? See, I never heard this dont trust your conscience thing until I started researching here. I honestly dont know. In Friday's lawsuit, the . Sorry but no one will truly ever know the impact of abuse on a child until its theirs and the parents live with watching their baby fall apart over it. It cant be easy to have to deal with the cesspool on a regular basis.). There is a false Church today in this world. Beyond lawsuits, those people need to be charged with criminal negligence and the institutions need to be fined heavily, at the very least, no excuses! Thanks. We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. The other group brings lawsuits in some cases but not others, I find that hypocritical. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. Only not in the way the person expects, they use it to perfect their craft. @ Bridget: They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. (we were considering membership)What church tells a almost grown kid that they cant have a cell phone in this day and age of sexual abuse.I never allowed my kids to attend sleepovers and the one time I felt reasonably safe about it(meaning sister was really mature and sibling was 15 and other friends older kids would look out for each other)my distrustful nature is proven right.I have seen and heard of so much wrong in the church in my lifetime I am a DONE,I still go to church (will not tithe again,I paid my part)but I really dont care anymore.!!! Sovereign Grace Ministries I cried. All Very Righteous and Respectable and Christian(TM). Thank you for caring about the children. But for Jesus it did have to do with that temple/ that building in Jerusalem and what he said was My house shall be called a house of prayer. Colleges are often very bad in dealing with rape, too. We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. Its like it divorces the person from their actual training or efforts- it doesnt matter what they do or what kind of person they actually are- they are guaranteed success because of magical thinking. She had a blast. Newman did not have an attorney on file for the case Monday. There are tares out there. Or alternately, the man is always whats important and the one who should be protected. We need to shout this stuff from the mountaintop.. And expose these enablers for what they are I very much appreciate what Brian has said because I think he speaks for a lot of young staffers who believed in Petes character and his testimony and were heartbroken at a deep level when they learned that Pete had betrayed so many. -Newman used his unrestricted access to Kanakuk facilities to lure underage boys to the facilities during the off-season for sexual purposes. If you ARE a victim in a Christian org he has made it clear he does not help you. But I truly dont know if I can trust them. Ive referred to these religious leaders in the past as modern day Pharisees, that no longer works. "That ministry" Kanakuk "should have caught on.". Brian, you are partially getting it but not completely. Please pray for a successful surgery, rides, and help from others. "Dorking around" was how he referred to this kind of activity,Dygert and Hoffpauir said. But alas, Im too much the free-thinker and free-spirit to go the whole enchilada by conversion to Catholicism. . I think he is clever and I have no doubt his materials are good. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: I did have some extended family leave the mission field after about 20 years when they were required to sign the BFM 2000. the wife had an M.Div so lead worship and preached while her husband was working the bush. I live near Branson and recall this sad situation very well. I would sue if I were in the position of these families. Prior to this, no one on Kanakuk staff believed that Pete Newman was abusing or had abused kids. It is horrible to hear detailed child grooming and molestation stories.but we must. The abuseexperiencelastedfrom 1999 until roughly 2003, during the time that Newman was a counselor at Branson-based Kanakuk Kamps. Well in a word yeah. I have no idea. 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